Canon Pixma Pro100 Other Fine Art Paper 1 or 2
Moving-picture show • Veteran Fellow member • Posts: 5,818
Canon Pixma Pro 100 fine art paper puzzler
How-do-you-do,
First of all, sad if this postal service comes up twice - I'd forgotten my details and rejoined, only so managed to login under my old profile.
I recently got the Canon Pixma Pro 100 and am printing from Mac OSX Mavericks and Lightroom 5, letting Lightroom manage colour. I just started using Permajet Porfolio 200 fine art paper (which is a matte, cotton rag paper) and am using their downloadable contour for that newspaper and my printer. Soft proofing, with my calibrated monitor and with newspaper and ink simulation on, most prints are coming out exactly as on screen (or at least within a whisper). I'm printing quality and media/custom at slowest setting. I'thousand press from the rear feeder (by which i hateful the front feeder not the manual feeder).
But I'one thousand confounded by the setting in the print driver dialogue. If I use the fine printing on plain paper 1 preset (my only preset options are a fine printing on patently paper, fine printing on plain paper 1, last settings or default) and select photo paper and Pro Platinum 100 (though with the correct newspaper contour selected in Lightroom), plus press perceptual, the prints are admittedly gorgeous, rich color and sharpness, item, shadow gradation etc. BUT...it'southward technically the incorrect newspaper setting in the drivers. If I select fine art paper i, which I remember is probably the "correct" setting, the slider in quality and media/custom will only get two thirds of the mode beyond towards finest/slowest. I don't want to impress faster every bit i desire the best possible quality.
The prints are stunning using the combination I've set up, but am I straining the impress heads or anything else by using this combination? And why won't the driver permit me to impress finest/slowest on matte fine art paper.
If anyone can advise, I'd be grateful.
RGBCMYK • Senior Fellow member • Posts: 2,426
Re: Canon Pixma Pro 100 art paper puzzler
My guess is the paper won't benefit from the highest setting because of the media dot gain and ink limitations so the printer is actually scaling dorsum the corporeality of ink usage and because the paper is resolution express keeping you from using that setting. I know with older matt paper printing with a setting of 720dpi maxed out the papers and setting higher only wasted ink and time.
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Hugowolf • Forum Pro • Posts: 12,676
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You are not straining annihilation with your settings, but accept you tried doing side-by-side comparisons at different settings. Lower dpi can oftentimes result in college quality.
Here is an older document (the Portfolio 200 has been replaced by a 220 g/k² version), just information technology does take both sleeky and matt settings for many 'fine art' papers, but seemingly, never at the printers' highest dpi.
https://world wide web.permajet.com/downloads/printer_driver_settings.pdf
Brian A
jtoolman • Veteran Fellow member • Posts: half dozen,815
Re: Canon Pixma Pro 100 fine art paper conundrum
RGBCMYK wrote:
My guess is the paper won't do good from the highest setting because of the media dot gain and ink limitations and so the printer is actually scaling dorsum the amount of ink usage and because the newspaper is resolution limited keeping you from using that setting. I know with older matt paper printing with a setting of 720dpi maxed out the papers and setting higher just wasted ink and time.
That's exactly the reason!
FlickM • New Member • Posts: two
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Cheers for the explanations, it all makes sense. This is the start printer I've had for some time and simply assumed slower was better. I do have two prints to compare because 1 i did today had reverted to higher speed. They look very similar, though i convinced myself the slower one was better. Ive likewise learned that matte fine fine art paper seems to want a wider margin: i got ink mark at the top edges of the page printing nearer to the edge.
I also got a magenta dot on a light coloured print today. Would that exist continued to printing at the incorrect speed?
I actually ordered Portfolio 220 from Wex Photographic, but they sent me 200. So am I right in thinking the setting for that in the printer driver should be fine fine art i? I cant look at the chart at the mo as we accept a ability cut here and my ageing eyes aren't upward to reading information technology on my telephone.
OP Flick • Veteran Member • Posts: 5,818
Re: Catechism Pixma Pro 100 fine fine art paper conundrum
Distressing, logged in with the wrong persona- that last reply was from me.
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Hugowolf • Forum Pro • Posts: 12,676
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We are talking nigh two unlike things hither: speed and resolution. Slower tin can be better, allowing more fourth dimension for the aerosol to dry before the next caput pass. I don't think slower can ever exist worse, but it can sometimes exist no better than faster.
College output resolution, higher dpi, can be worse on many papers. It dpends on the dot gain (the percentage point increase in the ink dot diameter), and the minimum droplet size the printer can produce.
Yes, ridiculously tiny font.
Brian A
OP Flick • Veteran Fellow member • Posts: five,818
Re: Canon Pixma Pro 100 fine art paper puzzler
Hugowolf wrote:
Nosotros are talking nearly two different things hither: speed and resolution. Slower can be ameliorate, allowing more time for the droplets to dry before the next head pass. I don't recall slower can ever exist worse, but information technology tin can sometimes be no better than faster.
Higher output resolution, higher dpi, tin exist worse on many papers. It dpends on the dot gain (the percentage point increment in the ink dot diameter), and the minimum droplet size the printer can produce.
Aye, ridiculously tiny font.
Brian A
Brian, aye i realised speed and resolution are not the same. But thanks for clarifying further ive non called a resolution but have left it up to Lightroom to calculate. I have to say that despite any erroneous settings on my role, the prints are spectacular from this printer. I'yard printing to exhibit and couldnt exist more than pleased.
Hugowolf • Forum Pro • Posts: 12,676
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Film wrote:
Hugowolf wrote:
We are talking virtually 2 unlike things here: speed and resolution. Slower can be meliorate, allowing more time for the droplets to dry before the adjacent head pass. I don't think slower tin always exist worse, simply it tin can sometimes be no amend than faster.
Higher output resolution, higher dpi, tin be worse on many papers. It dpends on the dot gain (the percentage point increase in the ink dot diameter), and the minimum droplet size the printer can produce.
Yeah, ridiculously tiny font.
Brian A
Brian, yes i realised speed and resolution are non the same. But thanks for clarifying further ive non chosen a resolution but have left it upwards to Lightroom to calculate. I accept to say that despite any erroneous settings on my part, the prints are spectacular from this printer. I'm printing to exhibit and couldnt exist more pleased.
That is a third and separate matter.
As far as the printer is concerned, that is input resolution, ppi (pixels per inch) non printer output resolution in dpi (dots per inch). If yous don't set up it in Lr, then Lr does nothing, it doesn't calculate anything, it will simply exist sent to the printer at whatever resolution the prototype is.
Generally for Canon and HP printers, you would want to set the Lr resolution to 300 ppi, if the image resolution is less than or equal to 300 ppi, and to 600 ppi, if the image resolution is over 300 ppi.
No, what I am talking about is output resolution. Somewhere in the driver you tin can prepare the output to 4800 x 2400 dpi, or 2400 10 whatever dpi, etc.
Brian A
Gesture • Veteran Member • Posts: 9,603
Re: Catechism Pixma Pro 100 fine art paper conundrum
Still like what the glossy papers produce, but I but started doing some dye ink prints on matte newspaper with the Pixma Pro-100 and the results have been excellent equally your experience. Had some quondam Epson Enhanced Matte around and quite pleased. Canon also has a branded cotton wool paper (Fine Art Bright White/Fine Art Natural) that is skilful. Wonder how many actual suppliers for all these Natural White/Enhanced White; 220/310; doubled-sided branded cotton fiber papers offered. Freestyle also has one.
OP Movie • Veteran Member • Posts: 5,818
Re: Canon Pixma Pro 100 fine art paper conundrum
Will come back to yhis later or tomorrow guys. Power still out hither so no wifi, only 3g and am losing the will to live using my phone. Thanks for all the input.
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OP Picture • Veteran Member • Posts: 5,818
Re: Catechism Pixma Pro 100 fine art paper conundrum
That is a tertiary and separate thing.
As far equally the printer is concerned, that is input resolution, ppi (pixels per inch) not printer output resolution in dpi (dots per inch). If you don't gear up it in Lr, then Lr does cipher, it doesn't summate anything, it will but be sent to the printer at whatsoever resolution the image is.
Generally for Canon and HP printers, yous would want to set the Lr resolution to 300 ppi, if the image resolution is less than or equal to 300 ppi, and to 600 ppi, if the prototype resolution is over 300 ppi.
No, what I am talking about is output resolution. Somewhere in the driver y'all tin can set the output to 4800 x 2400 dpi, or 2400 x whatever dpi, etc.
Brian A
Brian, I'm really confused by this. Firstly, being new to Lightroom (I'd done all my processing in Photoshop earlier that), i watched the whole set of videos by Julieanne Kost, on the Adobe site. She said that if you didn't tick the resolution box in Lightroom, Lightroom would calculate the paper, ink etc and decide on the output (to print) resolution. The oter thing is that nowhere in the drivers can I find the output resolution every bit in 4800x2400 or whatever. I call back there are fewer options on the Mac, but even so i have combed the printer options and can't observe that ane - anywhere...
OP Moving-picture show • Veteran Fellow member • Posts: v,818
Re: Canon Pixma Pro 100 fine art newspaper conundrum
Gesture wrote:
Yet similar what the glossy papers produce, simply I simply started doing some dye ink prints on matte newspaper with the Pixma Pro-100 and the results have been fantabulous equally your experience. Had some old Epson Enhanced Matte effectually and quite pleased. Catechism also has a branded cotton paper (Fine art Bright White/Fine Art Natural) that is good. Wonder how many actual suppliers for all these Natural White/Enhanced White; 220/310; doubled-sided branded cotton papers offered. Freestyle also has one.
I volition check the new Canon paper you mention. is this smooth or textured, matte ot pearl or what? I very much like the matte paper. I have a box of Pro Platinum only it seems so advised in comparison that i wish i hadn't bought it, though the particular and color are staggering. When i did darkroom stuff, i quickly abased resin coated papers and used fibre paper, and this feels similar. In fact i need to explore fibre inkjet papers. Information technology'south all so expensive though...
Gesture • Veteran Member • Posts: nine,603
Re: Canon Pixma Pro 100 fine fine art paper conundrum
Catechism'due south Fine Art papers are matte with a slight texture. I bought from Information technology Supplies. Good luck.
OP Picture • Veteran Member • Posts: 5,818
Re: Catechism Pixma Pro 100 fine art paper conundrum
Gesture wrote:
Canon'south Fine Art papers are matte with a slight texture. I bought from It Supplies. Good luck.
Thanks. I'm in the UK and then will have to cheque out where I can get it.
Hugowolf • Forum Pro • Posts: 12,676
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Flick wrote:
That is a tertiary and separate thing.
As far every bit the printer is concerned, that is input resolution, ppi (pixels per inch) not printer output resolution in dpi (dots per inch). If you don't gear up it in Lr, then Lr does zero, information technology doesn't calculate anything, it will simply be sent to the printer at any resolution the image is.
More often than not for Canon and HP printers, you lot would want to set the Lr resolution to 300 ppi, if the image resolution is less than or equal to 300 ppi, and to 600 ppi, if the image resolution is over 300 ppi.
No, what I am talking about is output resolution. Somewhere in the driver you tin can gear up the output to 4800 x 2400 dpi, or 2400 x any dpi, etc.
Brian A
Brian, I'm really confused by this. Firstly, being new to Lightroom (I'd done all my processing in Photoshop before that), i watched the whole gear up of videos by Julieanne Kost, on the Adobe site. She said that if you didn't tick the resolution box in Lightroom, Lightroom would calculate the paper, ink etc and decide on the output (to print) resolution.
Yous could be misreading information technology, only it ain't truthful.
If you don't set the input resolution in Lightroom, the epitome will go to the printer at whatsoever pixel dimensions it is. If your image was 2000 x 3000 pixels, and y'all ready Lightroom to impress an 8 x 12, and so it will become to the printer at 250 ppi. If y'all send the same image for a iv 10 half dozen inch print, and then it volition go to the printer at 500 ppi.
The media/paper setting in the printer driver's dialog sets the ink loading. And the contour determines color mapping.
The difference between this and Photoshop was/is printing at 100%. In Photoshop, if y'all wanted to print 300 ppi at 100%, and so you had to manually up-rez or down-rez to 300 ppi. There is no 100% in Lightroom. At that place is no manual scaling in Lightroom.
The way printing is set up in Photoshop has always led to a lot of misunderstanding of resolution.
The oter matter is that nowhere in the drivers tin can I find the output resolution as in 4800x2400 or whatever. I think in that location are fewer options on the Mac, merely even so i have combed the printer options and can't notice that one - anywhere...
There must be somewhere where you can gear up the out resolution (perhaps not). It could be in words instead of numbers, as in ultra fine quality, super duper fine quality, draft quality?
Brian A
OP Movie • Veteran Member • Posts: 5,818
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Y'all could be misreading information technology, but it ain't true.
If yous don't set up the input resolution in Lightroom, the prototype will go to the printer at whatever pixel dimensions it is. If your image was 2000 ten 3000 pixels, and you fix Lightroom to print an eight x 12, so it will go to the printer at 250 ppi. If yous ship the same prototype for a 4 ten vi inch print, so it will go to the printer at 500 ppi.
The media/paper setting in the printer commuter's dialog sets the ink loading. And the profile determines colour mapping.
The deviation between this and Photoshop was/is printing at 100%. In Photoshop, if you lot wanted to print 300 ppi at 100%, then you had to manually up-rez or down-rez to 300 ppi. In that location is no 100% in Lightroom. There is no transmission scaling in Lightroom.
The way printing is ready in Photoshop has e'er led to a lot of misunderstanding of resolution.
There must exist somewhere where you can set the out resolution (perhaps not). It could be in words instead of numbers, every bit in ultra fine quality, super duper fine quality, draft quality?
Brian A
Thanks again Brian
Re the output resolution, but loftier or standard for photograph printing. i haven't looked at letters, envelopes or whatsoever, so those settings may exist dissimilar - i have a little mono laser printer for that. This is a very exciting learning curve. Will try some prints using high/other fine art newspaper 1 tomorrow. i'chiliad almost tempted to say if it aint broke don't set it, s the results I've been getting with the settings I was using are staggeringly proficient.
OP Picture • Veteran Member • Posts: v,818
just out of interest
Brian, I'g actually confused by this. Firstly, being new to Lightroom (I'd done all my processing in Photoshop before that), i watched the whole set up of videos by Julieanne Kost, on the Adobe site. She said that if y'all didn't tick the resolution box in Lightroom, Lightroom would summate the newspaper, ink etc and make up one's mind on the output (to print) resolution.
You could be misreading it, just it own't true.
If you don't prepare the input resolution in Lightroom, the image volition get to the printer at whatever pixel dimensions it is. If your image was 2000 x 3000 pixels, and you ready Lightroom to print an 8 10 12, so it will go to the printer at 250 ppi. If yous send the same image for a iv x 6 inch impress, and so it volition go to the printer at 500 ppi.
The media/paper setting in the printer driver's dialog sets the ink loading. And the profile determines colour mapping.
The difference between this and Photoshop was/is printing at 100%. In Photoshop, if you wanted to print 300 ppi at 100%, then you had to manually up-rez or downward-rez to 300 ppi. In that location is no 100% in Lightroom. There is no manual scaling in Lightroom.
I provide the following two links, which say what i said nearly not checking the impress resolution in the impress module in Lightroom 5:
http://telly.adobe.com/watch/adobe-evangelists-julieanne-kost/lightroom-v-print-the-perfect-image/
http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=xvQyt1nluHsC&pg=PT903&lpg=PT903&dq=lightroom+five+print+resolution+options&source=bl&ots=YOBSfu6hRz&sig=Oiaq4FNeL4yW2thi7PY5odJDwYc&hl=en&sa=10&ei=XKSEUvnoPMm4hAfjpIHgAg&ved=0CE0Q6AEwAzgU#five=onepage&q=lightroom%205%20print%20resolution%20options&f=faux
With the first link, the chip where she talks nigh leaving print reolution unchecked and letting Lightroom figure out the resolution for this ink, paper, image combination is nearly 6min xxx secs in. Brian, i would be interested in your input on this. These sources seem to exist contradicting you, but i may, as you say, have misunderstood. I really want to go this right and I bow to your experience - I'm an experienced darkroom printer only haven't printed with inkjet very much (non since college anyway and that was some time ago).
Jim Hess • Veteran Member • Posts: 5,438
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Brian,
I'm not sure your explanation of resolution setting in Lightroom is correct. I accept watched the video that someone else mentioned that Julianne produced. And she states specifically that leaving the printer resolution (yeah, there is a setting for that in Lightroom) unchecked allows Lightroom to choose the appropriate resolution for the size of print existence printed. The other person didn't misread or misunderstand this. That is the fashion Lightroom is designed to work. At least according to Julianne. And, based on her level of educational activity and expertise, I accept no reason to question her.
Hugowolf • Forum Pro • Posts: 12,676
Re: just out of interest
Jim Hess wrote:
Brian,
I'1000 non sure your explanation of resolution setting in Lightroom is correct. I take watched the video that someone else mentioned that Julianne produced. And she states specifically that leaving the printer resolution (yes, there is a setting for that in Lightroom) unchecked allows Lightroom to choose the appropriate resolution for the size of impress beingness printed. The other person didn't misread or misunderstand this. That is the way Lightroom is designed to work. At to the lowest degree according to Julianne. And, based on her level of instruction and expertise, I have no reason to question her.
I will get back to you on this, just non tonight, it is Friday, and I have a life across this forum. I have 800 images to procedure past Tuesday.
What I retrieve you lot are misunderstanding is 'printer resolution'.
Brian A
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